Lets Talk: Inactive Penalties (The Magic Shield)

Welcome to the first topic made by me! Today, we are going to be talking about the new feature that Gamehag decided to make, the restrictions. Personally, I don't like it one bit since Gamehag had a chance to fix up this site and add more tasks, fixing some stuff that don't give you soul gems, and buff the article rewards but instead, they decided to make this and provide a distracting story that doesn't even help get to the main point. In 30 days of not completing a task, you will get need to pay 50 gems each week in order to maintain this "spell." I think people should have the freedom to do whatever and if they don't complete a task, fine. They don't get anything from it and creating this feature when other major things could have been fixed is extremely unwise considering that this "spell" will affect most people cause of the drought of game tasks that is happening. Wasting your time with a story isn't helping either since that's clearly not helpful to explaining this feature and it doesn't get right into the point. I was really confused when I was reading that and honestly, that shouldn't be there. Either make this feature more reasonable or remove it entirely. Comment down if you have an opinion about this.

I realy hate this system what does it even F****** do let you be a "human".This site is fked 50 soul gems so they can say F you for not beaining active? I Like they "Tried" to give this site a cute story. They only want the ad rewenu for peaople visiting this site.

That's techniquely true and they don't even think about what they should do by asking the community and they just thought it was a good idea to remove inactive people but at the same time, they should be thinking about others and their opinions. Taking away gems from people may seem like a good idea but it's horrible if you can't complete any game tasks cause you have nothing left.

Also what happens when someone reachs 0 Gems they perma ban there account or something thats fucked.

Where did you get that from? I never heard of that.

Just speculaiting but that probobly doesent happen. but we dont know what really happens.
im horrorfied.

It surprises me a little that you started discussing this just now, because warnings and a kind of preview already took place a few days ago. At a minimum, users received emails with notifications and a summary of the innovations; the rules section itself has changed just a couple of days ago. Actually I absolutely agree with you that this is all wrong, that the site has many of its small flaws that should have been fixed for a long time, and instead such an inconvenient and limiting system is introduced for some reason. Well...In brief, now users will really have to work for the site in order to receive their previous minimum bonuses. For many, this is extremely inconvenient and in its own way can even be humiliating. However, I force myself to look from the third side and there are at least two options for further situation development:

a) Gamehag will have a huge loss of users, including regular ones, and a quick arrival of new players who will not stay in place and thus the imitation of life flow will be created, with constant activity and possible income. And in the end, the site will either be lost in the “crowd” of other platforms, or will be abandoned and become a useless obsolete project;
b) The site will see errors in its new action policy in practice and only then the actions will come. But in order to have that, we all have to be active in our speaking out. Things just can't become mutually comfortable at once, especially in business.

Remember moderators are also users of this site but with a larger set of features, functions and responsibilities (at least, it seems to me, I simplified it here). And I’m sure it’s not they who come up with such huge changes ideas and rules somehow affect their work, too. And most of all I'd like to read their position about the changes and future. I really hope they will answer you - and me, because I intervened in your thread, I'm sorry for that and for my possible tone, too.

i dont like this system too, but i know that gamehag need to do it because of that. one thing that i want to know is what is considered as an active user? i rarely do game task (because in my country i dont have many option), but i do offer wall and other activity in this site. but they still gave me this spell.

I think they had to use other way to make users active. If they provide sth attractive, users will be active. But it looks like they're forcing users to be active. I don't understand why they chose this method. I wanted to use this site more and more because I bought a good game here recently. It motivated me a lot. If my gems will be removed, I think I'll leave. I don't(actually I can't) do tasks here because mostly they're about games and I don't like to play games I don't like. I can use forum here but they should not force users to do tasks. Just tell them to use forum a lot and make it active. Anyway till I become a frog, I'll see what will happen.

It should be removed, but it probably won't. It's a sad outcome...

does anyone know if this is an event or if this is permanent

i dunno if this temporary or permanent, but seeing many new user that most of them is a passive user, i think this will last long. i hope not tho

Dear Kabash,

I know you are the only one who read this thread right now and I know you are a user like us but we don’t have other choices since we can’t directly contact the developers of this site. Sending a message to Misty is also not the right way, because it’s about Terms of Service and not a technical problem or bug or something. So, I apologize for my comment here in this section.

Dear Gamehag Admins,

Firstly, I should thank you for creating this wonderful site. I really enjoy using this platform for a long time, the environment is designed perfectly, the rewards are great and there is not much to complain about…

Secondly, we (Users) understand that Gamehag is a business company and for existing needs to make more money. We all know how this site works and if we are here to play, chat, do the tasks, or… we have already accepted all the terms (Includes the new ones) but please listen to our words. Surely like you, we want to continue this enjoyment process too and the main goal is to improve it.

Point N1) Back to the Terms of Service, there is no line that explains why we get only 10% of the original value of the rewards when we want to sell them. It just suddenly appeared in the About Us section and I don’t understand it since it does not even exist in Terms of Service.

Point N2) Due to new Terms, users should do at least one task in 7 days, otherwise we will become Frogs that affect most of the ways that we can earn SGs such as writing articles, daily login, and much more… It is okay if we get enough tasks here to complete but not with few tasks that doesn’t even worth trying them since they are not valuable enough for putting our energy, time, and spending the internet connection on them. For example, [World of Warships – Bonus] Task number 1: Register via the "PLAY FOR FREE" button, confirm your account in the email, and then achieve 5 level of your account to earn 24 Soul Gems!!! Who would do this?

Point N3) I know tasks are really depending on which country we are, and in my country, there are only 7 Games that I can earn SGs from them and only one of them is good enough to be completed. I’m doing that task right now but after that what will happen? I’m forced to do some tasks that are not even close to good. [P.S. the link of that task was also broken in my country and I reported to support. After almost 1 month they add a new link and I started playing the game.]

Point N4) What makes Gamehag unique from other sites? Surely there is not only its look. Gamehag is not just a DO-TASKS-AND-EARN money site, it’s a big community that we can do lots of stuff in it, such as writing articles. For creating content, users MUST put lots of effort into it and the standards are almost high to see your work on the main page. In the past, we used to get 600 SGs for publishing our articles on the main page, so if we want to order a simple 10 Euro steam gift card, we must at least create 10-11 articles. But what about now? 250 SGs is the highest amount that we can earn! So for ordering that reward again we must write 25 articles and see them get published on the main page? Who will do that?! Reducing this amount to 10% SGs when we are Frogs, make it worst! [P.S. there is a rune that brings 50% bonus of SGs but it’s really hard to gain since it’s not purchasable for a long time.]

Point N5) There are also walls of offers, but most of them won’t give you the reward, so why users waste their time on them? These tasks are weird, sometimes they give you SGs, sometimes they are not! We can’t even contact Misty about them since Gamehag is not the offer provider, contacting the wall of offers support is annoying too. Every day, in the Discord channel, I see many complaints that users say we did the tasks but we haven’t earned any SGs.

Point N6) The users who live in a developing country have good tasks but as I said before the number of them is so limited. So if they do all of them they should watch and see how their SGs will be decreased in the future? Or they will stop doing them in a row because they should be worried about the Protection Shield time limit and these kinds of stuff?

In the end, if I miss something please forgive me, but by applying these changes Gamehag will lose many users! Many new users won’t join this community since they will notice they are forced to do game tasks in a limited time. Many will leave because they don’t have enough tasks to complete and Gamehag will go backward in the growth progress.

Regards.

I absolutely agree with @Sebastian50 and join his words.
(sorry I still can't put active tags here like you do).

Although some of the points have already been discussed in many ways.
And it was strange that I found one of the biggest and most informative threads about it only on Spanish localization of Gamehag. It was OK for me to realize there are no such thread in my 'native' Russian side here, but strange that the English one showed only several little general threads and a couple of suggestions on this forum... Either the threads were removed, or people really didn't care much until today.

Well, as for the business part, then yes, it sometimes has not much in common with the UI \ UX in such cases. We, as users, may see this platform as a huge gaming society aimed on getting the rewards; the website owner, in their turn, are interested in getting the profit in the way only they know how. Ads, promotions, VIP payings and so on. And, as I have already written, I guessed that the website still needed many things to be performed and updated, but it remained a quite unique platform. However, the new changes are not something the users would really appreciate. Especially those who have been here for long or who lave a little ability to fit the new system. Many of us work or study, and the region separation - I mean the terms of contracts and tasks availability \ affordability - is really frightening. This will cause the reducing of active users, especially from European countries, and the platform can really lose much more than it is going to earn in terms of its popularity, support by users and activity overall.
(I'll continue in the next message)

(continuing of the previous one)
For me personally, it looks a bit like betrayal, but I can only judge from the side. I liked this platform, I liked to try, I liked the opportunities provided to it, although there are very few tasks for my region, both in games and on the walls of offers. Moreover, they are still not synchronized among themselves in terms of devices for execution - the PC version of the site still shows more available tasks than it actually is on mobile devices (both iOS and Android)! The quality of separate tasks is not so great, too, as well as not many of them are able to be checked and rewarded; I even found some messages across the website, where moderators themselves prove that not every game tasks can be successfully done and accepted without no problems, which lows the trust in the system even more. Same is with articles, plagiarism, unique matherial, authors suffering from that and low rewards for huge work. But you know it well yourself (as an author or spectator, it doesn't matter in this context), so I'll better stop here.

All that remains for me to do as a user is try to get what I can still, for my part give this website what I can and leave, occasionally watching the development of affairs here. Learning from your mistakes is extremely useful, but it is bad when your thirst for money suppresses the human factor and those who believe in you suffer from it.

I agree with all of yall. I get that Gamehag nerfed the article rewards since they don't get money out of it, but this isn't the right way to do this. And the frog/toad idea is really stupid. I'm sorry, but you just gave us this out of nowhere without any warning whatsoever and when we have more things to worry about such as new game tasks and buffing articles, you spend time to create a story which is a bunch of fluff and it doesn't get to the main point of this feature. Here are the list of problems I have with this website:

1. Chests:
I get that free chests should only give a steam key, but please make it more realistic by adding the percentage rates for each reward instead of giving emails and articles to people saying that you can win a PS4. It's obvious that those are there for baity reasons and people are going to get mad if they get a steam key 5 times in a row so please put the rates at least in order to prevent people from getting tricked.

2. Articles:
Now I get that. You have to make money and articles don't give you money whatsoever but you have ads. Those aren't going to lose you any money so you might be able to buff articles if you have extra money. (Idk how this works tho) Again, just nerfing them out of nowhere makes no sense and it's really annoying. Also, be more responsable and don't just accept articles for being "good." Actually check if another user did a similar thing cause plagerism isn't fun at all and sometimes, people actually get rewarded for copying something which upsets me so much.

3. Surveys, Minigames, and the Guessing Game:
Surveys should give out more rewards since on other sites, they give SO MUCH more stuff than just like 100 gems (in terms of Gamehag currency) so at least buff those cause NO ONE wants to do these things.

(Part 2)
Like what Sebastian said, they don't give the rewards half of the time and I wouldn't even do these things that will offer like free giftcards for signing up or adding my credit card info in order to pay for something that I WILL NEVER EVER use such as medince. Chances are that these providers are just scams as well. The minigames honestly suck as well since these game companies obviously just want to advertise their games for money and they are just rip offs of other famous games. The games don't even GIVE the gems and if you're going to include them, actually give us the payment instead of asking us to contact support for something that is your responsability. The guessing game should give out the percentage rates and by the looks of it, that just might be like the chests as well since I never WON gems from a single game even though I just clicked on the same option several times. Fix those things.

(Part 3)
Support and Responsablity:
To me, this just seems crazy. If you're going to hire people for being support, actually make them useful people cause sometimes, they just assume things. One time, I asked someone about a task and they said I had to BUY something from this site and I couldn't just do it for free which was COMPLETELY WRONG and it didn't make sense at all. Support should solely be people that have experience and not just people that are straight up giving a simple answer, yes or no. I went to the Discord Server and I know that there are people out there who complained that some people at support were just everday users who just gave a bad answer to their questions so actually hire good people such as more moderators instead of people who just don't even know what I'm talking about 1/8 of the time. Now the time that they respond is also pretty insane since the issues that aren't solved for a very long time should be dealt with and have a better response time than the issues that just appeared first. If you have a non valid code, that shouldn't take 5 days since you waited for 48 hours and you still haven't gotten your prize. Those people with invald prizes should be dealt and responded first and they should be quicker than 24 hours per reply. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

Oh, look what we have here. Such a nice suggestion thread!

Well, I join you all in your words, more or less. I am glad to know @Aon, she's always trying to offer something here on this forum in order to help with improving the site. And she's also a great copywriter, I didn't understand how there are still no article on Gamehag from her, but later I got the point. As well as I understood some other things. Well, in brief:

1. Continuing about the articles. The 'gem payment' getting lower and lower, the eternal dispute and wrong decisions about the plagiarism, the general disrespect to authors - all this creates a negative impression on the prominent authors. As a user, I always checked the plagiarism before blaming authors in it, and I always could prove my words with links to original articles. Being cherished and rewarded for creating something original is great, but it seems to be more and more gambling lookalike: if you are lucky, you will be published and get your tiny reward for probably hours of work. If you're not lucky, you will have to prove your right. If you can't, you will even lose more time, efforts and nerves.

2. Games. A bit similar about being lucky like the mentioned above (my words about being lucky). Either the mobile games provider proves you, or not (it happened to me). You need to find a working task (they are really just a few in many countries). You need to check whether the game is playable (normal link, downloading, sign-in, etc.) You'll have to perform a task, usually per a certain time period (some are easy, some are really long or demand donation in order to make them quickly). Printscreen your result, send it for approval. And in most of cases it won't be accepted. Then, either you dispute about it and win, or you will have to make it several times and still no adequate result. Time, nerves, weird blames of cheating \ having an old in-game account or whatever, all that again. And yes, I speak only about faithful performance here.

3. Advertising. Sorry if I am too naive, but why creating such tough conditions and forcing people to come and go all the time, if you could just improve the already existing methods? Provide ads and offers to those who know you, don't disappoint both them and those who are only getting to learn you. All that... App-zone, more simple offers, more ads and so on. Less gems for them, yes, but they can give more effective result. Same is with offerwalls tasks,- there have been pretty nice quiz for 3-15 gems, and I loved them, they worked pretty much. Now the website shows there still are some of them for performing via the mobile app, but the mobile app shows there are none of them, or it simply shows the error message if I try to enter their links. Unfair.

I could have added many small things, but should I, actually?.. You know it well, I know it well. So why to repeat without an urgent reason for it. Gamehag have already reduced some useful functions and rewards a couple of times recently, as I could notice. And personally I would really want to learn the reason of the new conditions and the alternative variants which could have been applied here. Changes are nice, it's an update and improving. But the very sense of improving is either making something old and broken work in mutually comfortable way, or replacing it by something new and mutually comfortable, too.

Well, it all saddens, but yes, that's how the business works, You have the right do do it, as it's your creation, but if you want people be satisfied with you and bring you more profit, you need to follow their needs as well, not only wishing to get more money from us.

I'll stay here while I can, and I'd really like to help moderators a bit, at least with cleaning all those spam, rude and garbage messages from the forums and some suggestions, but then I'll have to leave as many others here. We all have private lives, and I just can't put mine away only in order to be abused by new rules of this prominent (till this day) platform, which can turn from a welcomed gaming world to a simple lure in any time.

To @masculinium: Writing original articles for 25-250 gems, arguing for their right to be recognized as non-plagiarism anh high chance to meet my article in a forum instead of the corresponding section... Not the best solution for me, especially now with new conditions. If they could at least give experience or protection from a new “debuff”, it would be of much sense for me, but otherwise it doesn’t even seem to have a profit for the site itself.

With regards to the new conditions: yes, this is a site about games in an opportunity to win some of these games and other prizes...however it is primarily a business platform that needs funding and profit. Perhaps the management decided that it would be more profitable for them to create an ongoing stream of new users so that there would be more new players who would come and go quickly than to encourage those who already are. It is like a stream of buyers in the market. Not everyone loves to have regular customers, because for these customers they have to make concessions, make discounts, and so on. Therefore, what we see as an adequate and honest attitude, business owners can see in a completely different way, and this situation is disadvantageous for them. The understanding of not only that “we seem to have been betrayed” is very poor, but also sad forecasts in general: a lot of honest negative responses that will later be replaced by bought positive ones, a decrease in interest and a final decline.
I would not like to panic, but such examples already exist. I just hope that after the “punishment” they will give us the equivalent “encouragement”, or all this is really very pragmatic and will not make much sense further.

P.S. A similar discussion on the Spanish-language part of the website has been removed. It is very sad to realize that this thread can meet the similar fate, too, and that all this is just human words and thoughts thrown into the void.

To @Aonb: If they are going to remove this forum, then they aren't doing their job because the moderators at the Discord Server said we could give feedback to them about this in a civil way on the fourms. Removing this would be no good at all so if they do that, they aren't going to be helpful at all.

Alright so I just finished reading through all the comments above and I have to admit that I agree with the majority of them. I'll give a detailed reply soon but just letting you know that I've seen this thread.

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>Removing this would be no good at all so if they do that, they aren't going to be helpful at all.

Yes, that is true. Highly unlikely that this thread would be deleted since the comments and critique are mostly civil, and I'm sure the team would appreciate the constructive feedback. However if it does occur, not to worry as I've made a backup of all the comments within this thread.

The comments that i read trought are right and that i agrea. Do they want to shut down this site, do they want to lose money, do they want to lose users beacues that's how they should do it. If they want new users they should lisen to there users on what they want and take critisis what they don't want. Ps give us a heads-up when they going to give us a new system.

I agree with the majority of them. Changes in the regulations are not good for us users because we get restrictions that even repel from further use of the site, but you must remember that Gamehag is a company whose main goal is to gain the highest possible profit. The creators hope that the changes introduced by them in the regulations will attract new short-term users who would give them a quick profit. You have to remember that regular users provide publicity about the site by encouraging their friends to set up an account because they can get rewards, while after the changes, most regular users will leave because they will not be satisfied with the change in the regulations and the site won't receive "free advertising" that was provided by users. In my opinion, the changes to the regulations are too strict. The best option is to undo these changes, but it's unlikely they will, so I came up with a milder version of them.

I hope our statements won't be ignored.(continuing of the previous one)

1. If for seven days in a row you fail to accomplish any task, you don't get soul stones through the apk zone or or write any article, in the act of self- defense you will turn into a frog. (you need to anticipate different scenarios when creating recipes that users must follow ,, eg it may happen that some of the users will not get soul stones and turn into a frog because they have completed all tasks from browser games and cannot download the game to the computer because it has not enough internet and can't afford to buy a better package with more GB) I gave one of many such cases.

2.If your power level continues to drop for the next 30 days and you don't complete any task, you won't get soul stones through the apps zone or write any article, eventually you'll become too weak to keep the frog character. Then you will take the form of a toad. This is a critical condition for your body.If you don't raise your power level, you'll gradually become weaker.Every 7 days you will lose 7% exp from your account to maintain the transmutation spell. (This is a better option than losing soul stones when users see that the number of kd decreases they will stop using Gamehag and we do not want it, eg level 6 and 84% expa and after the allotted time you will have level 6 and 77% expa) If this way we reach levels 1 and 0% exp, the user is considered dead and cannot get soul stones or spend them, cannot create articles and cannot write forum posts for the first 7 days, after reaching level 2 the user will be able to use Gamehag normally.

I hope our statements won't be ignored.

Well, actually I'm agree with @Mirathis in some ways, although it has already been touched here more or less (the business part of the website and he related things). But while looking through the 'softened' version of rules, to be honest I didn't notice any softness personally for me. Just because of the following:

1. Seven-day terms are still not quite a comfortable thing in many reasons which have already been touched above, at least these ones:
a) Lack of tasks due to region dividing and priorities;
b) Unsynchronized tasks and especially wall offers showing in the PC-version of the site and in the mobile apps, which has already been discussed on various threads;
c) Certain wall offers that are presented for performing but causing errors or giving no profit for them - for example, many people simply cannot perform surveys because they always see messages that they do not fit them, or there are tasks which are a bit buggy and do not give any reward in the end, and the providers are not always able to help;
d) Time measures allowing to follow such rules (I'll try to explain it below).

2. I'm really interested in the reason why the experience should be taken away and - especially - what the profit Gamehag will get of this. And the backfire coming from this is also quite big. Firstly, it can increase the level of spam or general dissatisfaction of users, even if that they have been warned with such update. Second, it would make more sense if more interactions with the site's offerings gave experience. And thirdly, more honest users (who do not spam or spam very little, do not use bots, etc.) might be regarded by the system as suspicious or banned.

Regarding the d):

The task takes time, even a lot of time. You all know that. It requires even more for checking their performance by players in order to approve or reject. In case of rejection, subsequent discussion and correction, even if you prove that the task is valid and deserves a reward - again! - A lot of time can pass, and the game task may even disappear and be irrelevant for acception \ counting.

A similar scenario can happen with articles. I will not cover the obvious, just draw a parallel with the above pattern. Yes, the usage of "Vote for the article" option here may have been a good help, but not many people voted thoughtfully, plus a reward for voting was given only if you chose everything correctly (but it would be nice if you were rewarded for indicating the source of the original article, if it is plagiarism). And when the reward dropped from 10 SG to 1, not many people started using it, right?

Where am I leading? Please understand, I don’t want to sound too confident as a “know-it-all” who speaks and decides for everyone, but again, think about the workload of moderators and editors in both scenarios. Yes, this is their job, but the more they are loaded with it, the lower the quality of the result for users can become (sorry, I really don't want to offend anyone, I'm only talking about the human factor) - and the waiting time for verification can increase significantly, too, so both sider may suffer due to the new rules.

That's what I meant. I accept the fact that I could be wrong, and I'm ready to receive a sensible counter-argument that is displayed in reality.

To @Mirathis:

> you don't get soul stones through the apk zone,

There are many complaints towards its general availability all over the Gamehag on at least three language localized areas of the website. Even performing the game tasks may not guarantee its proper work with showing ads or giving SGs for watching. And it's currently missing on IOs. So this zone should be totally reorganized in order to follow the terms you've suggested.

> If this way we reach levels 1 and 0% exp, the user is considered dead and cannot get soul stones or spend them, cannot create articles and cannot write forum posts for the first 7 days, after reaching level 2 the user will be able to use Gamehag normally.

Not a good idea as a whole, I think.
If you offered this as a variant of the veiled requirement to complete the game tasks to get the 2nd level, then please keep in mind that not every task gives an exp, as well as it cannot give you the needed amount of exp in a short time for you to level-up. This is just one of the possible reasons I'm not agree in your suggestion about the level context.

For any of the scenarios to work, the current one or the suggested by users, all its points and terms must be agreed upon with no contradicting to each other and be successfully implemented without huge errors.
As well as the website system should really provide the sufficient variety and accessibility of interactions on the site to successfully follow the established rules for everyone who wants to comply with them for mutual comfort and profit.

*** why ae this posts sooooo long1

Cause the problems that we are talking about in this thread is very important (another thing that Gamehag should improve is the chatting and fourms system cause it's kinda weird tbh)

Hi, I appreciate you making a whole thread discussing this change and I see the comments have been rather professionally constructive so ama join in lol.
First off, as you guys discussed, This update is worst for people living on less developed country. For example, I live on algeria and been on this site for 3 years. I've been seriously active throughout 2018 and 2019 and only managed to get 3194 SGs. The games back then were giving you at limit 100 SGs, so the only choices I had is daily logging, rating articles, and writing them. So now with the addition of this update, of course I'm gonna be mad! All it did is make the harder things EVEN harder!
Anyways, The new system of bringing back users is more like a "DO IT OR ELSE" system. All it does is punish you for dumb reasons and doesn't even give you great rewards if you do their tasks. Humans do not enjoy being forced by others especially from a darn company, therefore, I don't see how this update would bring or even keep most people on the site.
The easy fix for this is to remove the limiations as a whole and just give out worth-while rewards for active users so they can work towards it. Maybe the more you are completing tasks the more SGs you are gonna earn and the lesser the reward are gonna cost. That should easily make people more active on this site cause It's essentially "play games, earn more, pay less". As you probably guessed, the rewards ain't gonna be too great but they should be at least to the point of making you go "welp ama stay more here ****"
Hopefully Gamehag are gonna rethink this change.

just ...... WOW ..... im amazed lol ..too much information..

To @pipiio :
Can't speak for everyone, but yep, my posts seem to be rather long unlike the common other forums' comments describing "nice game", "how can I reach lvl 3" and so on. The context is quite different, and I am trying to reveal as much as I can in order to not look like a mean and complaining person with no arguments for my point of view.

To @FalzKTG :
Yes, it's exactly what I've been thinking of. Benefits for more active users, usual rewards for less active ones - anything which is not forcing to be hurry and fit the 7-day period.
I've noticed a shield in the prize section, however it's not in stock and costs quite a lot.

The bussines model is lets add a new feature wich will drain 50SG every "X" time that will force users to compleate new offers regulary wich will bring us revenue. But the problem with this is most of the offers are shitty ones that requiere tons of time for not that much SG and some of them are just imposible to complete even with months of game. For this model to work we need more offers added weekly preferbly pc games!!!.

But they should have fixed many of the problems the platform has before adding such feature:

1. We need more PC games.
2. Restock high value rewards (Master card 20€ and 50€, Kinguin 15€ 25€ 50€)
3. Add more payment options like G2A, PayPal , etc.
4. Wall update needed:
a) Each wall to have a contact form with their support
b) We need a way to tell wich offers have been finished, ongoing or failed
c) We need a information about the device used (google user, device model, something) you may ask why we need this? Well there are games that have multiple offers for the same game on different walls.
When i started on the platorm i used my 2 phones to start 2 offers on 2 walls for the same games and on each wall it had at least 2 offers for the same game, the devices i used where old ones they broke so i didnt fish the offer so when i decided to continue the offers later couldnt find any way to check what offer i started on what device

@nhammen You're quite right, the question about adding more tasks to perform have been risen several times during at least a couple of weeks till today :)

Moreover, I am totally agree as for the possibility to complete them in time and \ or in general. There are already examples given by @masculinium with surveys and mobile app tasks (His message above starting with "Well, actually I'm agree with..."). As for games, there are some tasks that need donations in order to finish them quickly and fit the time measures, and there are some tasks that have a really low chance to be approved due to the issues with game providers.

we need guarantees for the tasks, both for games and contracts, to be able to perform and approved as a whole; without that, just representing more tasks won't help much.

So, to sum up, there is quite a big problem touching the very ability of successful performance of any game tasks or contracts, as well as of their chance to be approved, so it is need to be fixed as much as possible; without that, no expanding of tasks amount would be helpful. That's why it is one of the first issued that needs to be fixed urgently.

Hi! Thanks for making this thread DarkestTeddy.
Here are the points that should've been made earlier, but we are still in the process of introducing them to the website:

1. By "tasks" that protect from enchantments (Frogs and Toads) we mean all the tasks that can be performed on Gamehag:
- offers from Offerwalls,
- in-game tasks,
- special tasks from Dashboard (f.e. downloading Gamehag extension and so on),
- Soul Gems purchases.
a) This should be very significant for users from countries that don't have that many in-game tasks available, or users that have completed them all, and may change your overall perception of the newly introduced system
b) This will be made more clear in the upcoming changes to the FAQ and Misty bot.
2. No, this thread obviously will not be removed!

As for the rest of the points raised in this topic, obviously I can't refer to all of them individually, but we will take into account every bit of your such well-formed feedback. Also, please remember that if you have something important to say that is not necessarily related to this topic, you can also send it through our Discord on #suggestions.
Cheers :smirk:

Thank you @Asmoy for the response here!

It would be especially great to see more contracts as soon as possible here, especially if they are able to be performed, which is much better, as @Aonb mentioned above.

Actually I've noticed some new quiz contracts for me, but I can't perform them, because they are either show errors like "This offer is not available. [2058]", or they are not able to be performed via the mobile app. These tasks are from Adgate, as I've got it, which is quite a buggy platform in general. Sad for me, because short little tasks are practically the only thing I can make while being at work, as well as making spam reports. And I couln't even buy any shield, since it was marked as out-of-stock (btw, in my native Russian localization it even created a bug).

Hi, I must thank you for replying to us! I expected to see no replies from you guys but that wasn't the case so I appreciate that. I do however have stuff I do not agree with.
We do know the exsistince of tasks other than in-game tasks but again, as we were saying, all of the tasks you mentioned are either hardly approved (offers, in-game tasks...) or already completed (special tasks). For the soul gems purchases part, who in the right mind would pay with their SGs so they can keep their SGs? You forgot the biggest problem is the fact we can lose Soul Gems if we ain't active for just a month? Gamehag needs to realize that even if they have the rights to take away anything we earn, They do not have the rights to force us to remain on their site. Take aways my SGs and you see me heading out from the site.
One improtant question, Why did you not mention appzone? It seems like a task to me.
Cheers!

I get that every single task you see on Gamehag will count to resetting the thing, but eventually, we will run out of these tasks and if we don't change the overall system, many people will just quit and do something else besides this cause there isn't a reward for being active and instead, it just only punishes you for being inactive. This update overall doesn't have anything good and we have to change that somehow.

No one is going to buy soulgems in here cause that's obviously not smart. To me, Gamehag probably just thinks we will still be active because of the variety of tasks we have but we did mostly everything except the offers which are buggy and sometimes scams even so I'm just gonna say that as a side note for you guys.

We really need something like a new task every week or a nerf to the frog/toad system cause this CLEARLY isn't working for anyone and just thinking and assuming that we have enough tasks isn't how we can solve this problem. There are bound to be people who have completed everything on this site so maybe everytime you complete a task, it will add to your overall time before getting turned into a frog and it can stack up for each time you be active (not just tasks but making articles, commenting, etc cause doing tasks and paying gems isn't good enough and people will run out of those so we will need to find an infinite source that will prevent us from being turned into frogs/toads)

And while we are talking about nerfing the system, I suggest removing the story and pictures ENTIRELY from the info section of the system cause they aren't very helpful at all and they are just mostly distracting people from knowing the main point of the system. The story isn't true in any way and it's just fluff so please, do something about that cause it's honestly annoying that you're spending your time to create a story that no one really asked for/wants.

Rewarding people for earning the most soulgems in a day also doesn't seem fair since they are just targeting people who have the most tasks and giving soulgems to them when they finish all of them at once. In my opinion, I don't really think that's fair to the people who don't even have tasks anymore cause they will never be on the leaderboard anytime soon so something has to change about that as well. The leaderboard is also mostly taken over by moderators which lowers the chance of people getting on the leaderboard as well so if you could do something about that, maybe make another private leaderboard for them idk that would be great.

Still collating all the suggestions within this thread and will send a list of what I have so far once I'm done. In the meantime I'll respond to a few queries and comments.

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@DarkestTeddy
> The leaderboard is also mostly taken over by moderators which lowers the chance of people getting on the leaderboard as well so if you could do something about that, maybe make another private leaderboard for them idk that would be great.

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Ok, so let's clear things up a bit.

Yes, moderators sometimes appear on the daily leaderboard.
However, this is only on Mondays when we are awarded for our moderation duties. If you look on any other day of the week, you will see that it is filled with users and moderators are nowhere to be seen.

Even so, the Top 3 positions on Monday are not dominated by moderators. A recent example would be today's leaderboard (21/7/2020). Take a look at it here: https://imgur.com/lw9gH3B

You can see that only myself is present on it, and even so I'm in the 3rd position, whereas the first 2 users are new users whom completed a highly-rewarded mobile task. If they are completely new to Gamehag, yet manage to achieve the top spot and outrank moderators, it can clearly be seen that there is an equal chance for everyone and the daily rankings aren't baised towards moderators.

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Ok, so that takes care of daily rankings. Moving onto monthly and overall rankings. (Though, I'm not sure why you take issues with this since being the Top in these aspects doesn't grant you SG. So in a sense, you do not "lose" out on anything. However, I digress.)
So here are the rankings for this month: https://imgur.com/HlLChBK

As you can see, yet again moderators do not take up the top spots. In fact, out of the 21 moderators we have, only 1 of them is in the top 3 position, and 2 are in the top 8. Doesn't it clearly indicate that moderators do not dominate the monthly rankings either?

Finally, overall rankings. Standings: https://imgur.com/VdlnKF4

I assume this is where you take issue with since there are 5 moderators in the top 10. However, this should be the case as after all we as moderators have been the oldest and more active users of the site. Personally, I joined Gamehag in 2017 and have been a moderator since 2018. Even without the moderator perks, by the end of 2017 I was on the overall leaderboards for SG earned by my own efforts alone without the aid of moderation duties. Besides, it'd only make sense if the oldest users of the site have the greatest amount of SG earned since they have had the greatest amount of time to earn said SG.
Even ignoring that fact, it seems that you're looking at the standings half-empty. Yes, there are 5 moderators in the Top 10, but what about the other 5 users who managed to acquire SG to be in the leaderboards as well? Should they too be displayed separately from "others" for the sake of "fairness"?

At the end of the day, moderators are still users like yourself and seperating them doesn't bring about much good, if any. Ignoring all that I said above, would you rather the Gamehag Team spend their time on this minor gripe you have instead of working on more important issues like adding more tasks and implementing the various suggestions within this thread?

> Rewarding people for earning the most soulgems in a day also doesn't seem fair

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What did you expect? The hard truth, whether you like it or not, is that Gamehag isn't a charity, it's a business. Their sole purpose is to generate a profit and to do so, they'd have to encourage users to earn more. That's the purpose of rewarding the top daily earners if you haven't caught on.

Also granted, rewarding top earners helps to thank them for their work, but at the end of the day rankings are to encourage users to earn more.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as though that you only find this to be an issue as you're not able to earn as much as the users at the top? If so, then please feel free to suggest for more tasks to be added to your region since that is the core reason of your disagreement, instead of critiquing the system of rewarding top users itself.

You can always do so in the thread here:

Suggest games you wish to see added here.

I already visited that thread and yeah, that's the main reason why I'm asking to change the leaderboard system. I didn't realize that moderators only appear on mondays so I applogize for saying that. After realizing this, we should probably work on the tasks but not just include one, but many others. Based on that thread tho, it looks like you're including one new series of tasks which worries me a bit there.

> Based on that thread tho, it looks like you're including one new series of tasks which worries me a bit there.

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Where was there any mention that only 1 game is going to be chosen from the thread?
My original message is "The most liked comments will be proposed to the Gamehag Team to be added, so cast your votes in the comments below!"

"commentS" as in plural. I.E. that more than 1 game would be chosen. Perhaps you misunderstood that statement but I'm informing you here that more than 1 series of tasks will be added so don't worry.

I was just making sure.

It seems to me that in the last few posts the author of the thread has moved away from the original topic and delved into another... Personally, I have nothing against such awards for users, as well as in some ways I understand why there are several moderators or editors in the top list. In any case, even having its being removed will not fundamentally affect the situation related to the current update, 7-30-day restrictions and the number and availability of tasks related to it.

The situation with the 7-day restriction could be at least slightly modified as follows: each completed task adds 6-7 days of activity (or a shield, or ordinary daily bonuses, you can may call it whatever you like) instead of just updating the counter. This is just a fallback in case if the problem with the variety and availability of tasks remains the same. But naturally I doubt that such a compromise will be considered.

I agree with Aonb. Putting the counter back to 7 days instead of increasing the time will cause many problems and that's a reason why this is a problem.

I recently discovered that Appzone does replunish the meter. Appzone is a mobile only gamehag feature which allows you to watch ads for SGs and is the easiest way to gain SGs for people who don't have any other tasks. That might change our perception of this system but I doubt it will excuse Gamehag's move. Not everyone has a mobile device AND not anyone wants to remain on the site weekly. Just keep Appzone in mind if Gamehag does not rethink the change.
Anyways, the system only having bad penalties and no worthwhile rewards is a huge problem. I don't want to keep doing more tasks than before just to keep this meter up but don't get anything great out of it. I like Aonb's idea but it still does not make this system fun and worth it. If a user remains active on the site for more than a month, they shall earn 500+ SGs as a bonus for their wasted time.

@FaizKTG Thank you for the comment!

However, there are some issues with the Appzone. First, it often "lags", I mean one can't normally watch the ads because the loading spinner just doesn't turn into a play button. Second, you may catch a bug with watching ads and getting no SG from it. The IOs app doesn't have the Appzone at all for now. And there are certain limits for using it as a whole, you will still need to do some tasks to continue watch it, so it's just a little help.

First, I read about such cases on many forums. Then I experienced it myself, and in my case I couldn't fix it by changing the Android version, or using an emulator, or reinstall the Gamehag app. It has been slightly touched in the previous messages here on this thread as well. Although I'm really glad if you have no troubles with the appzone :)

Actually, it would be a quite useful thing (if work properly) in two main ways: giving the ads to users with gaining benefits for the site from that (I mean profits from users' watching it), and serving as a kind of additional protection from the Frog spell.

Well, it seems like it remained a couple of hours for me before getting a debuff. The quiz contracts are bugged, I do not fit any of the surveys, most of offered games require a lot of my time, efforts and - moreover - fitting their time measures. I see some contracts for performing via smartphone while looking through the browser version of Gamehag, and they somewhy are missing in the mobile app on any device of mine. And all I left to do is accept and...and wait. Maybe.

I even found one funny contract, sorry I haven't learn how to post pictures here directly. Here is it: http://prntscr.com/tmjzmy
You see? Register (!) and collect SG. Like I am to create an additional acc, which is prohibited! I don't know what the owners mean for sure, but it's like an absurd for me.

No, I didn't expect unicorns and rainbows from here, but it's still too unfair for me, and I have obvious reasons for such way of attitude. Though they won't change anything, I know. But it definitely shouldn't be this way for anyone who meets same conditions.

P.S. Still there's question about one point. The English localization says that users can't get SG for making reports, isn't it? While the Russian one simply says that users can't get SG for writing posts. It's not the same, whatever you might think. Automatic translation in such cases really misleads people. So sad I even won't be able to get the missing SG for buying the cheapest prize, if that English variant is true. Even mentioning tha fact that I do love helping here in this way and be rewarded for that even a little.

Collated Suggestions

Hello again, I've taken the time to collate the various suggestions from the multitude of comments into a spreadsheet and have sent it for consideration to the Gamehag Team.

Here is the link to said spreadsheet: Gamehag ToS Suggestions (User Copy)

If you have any further suggestion or if I missed out on your suggestion, feel free to leave a comment below!

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My Own Suggestions

1. Instead of directly deducting their SG earned, limit the amount of SG users can spend.


2. Encourage users to stay active instead of penalising inactive users. Do so by having a "secret rewards shop" accessible only to active users

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Suggestion #1: Limit Spending instead of Deducting SG

Personally, I feel that deducting SG is uncalled for since users do put in a significant amount of effort to earn them. By deducting them, it is similar to undoing and negating all effort contributed towards earning a reward, and is to some extent direspectful.

This is where I believe most people take an issue towards and I understand it. So my suggestion is instead of deducting SG, the Gamehag Team could alternatively limit user spending. That way, the effort a user has put in is acknowledged but at the same time, they are required to be active in order to have the greatest purchasing power.

For example, let's say a user has earned 6800SG. That's quite a substantial amount and they plan to claim the 10 Euro Steam Wallet Gift Card which costs 6700SG. With the current change, after 21 days past the initial 30 day grace period for inactivity (51 days of inactivtiy total), they would lose 150SG. This puts them at a net total of 6650SG, just 50SG shy to exchange for their Steam Wallet Gift Card.

While some people might feel that losing 150SG is a lot, you have to remember that this is only after 51 days of inactivtiy (~1.5 months). To put it in perspective, it'd be equivalent to losing 3SG/day, which if you were an active user, wouldn't be a huge loss since daily just for logging in, you would earn 5SG (5SG/day or 255SG after 51 days).

However, I digress. Getting back to the point, even after he completes a task, assuming the task doesn't grant him SG, he'd still be 50SG short of claiming the reward.

My proposal is for there to be a SEPERATE feature to limit how much SG you can spend. It would be similar in every way to the current SG balance, just that it would show you how much of your balance can be used to purchase a reward.

Initially, it would start out equal to the balance amount (6800 SG in the above example), and instead of your balance being deducted, this counter would go down. So continuing with the example, the limit would now be at 6650SG which isn't enough to allow the user to purchase the 10 Euro Steam Wallet Gift Card. Therby this would limit you on what rewards you can claim WITHOUT undoing the effort you took to earn SG.

Upon completion of a task, this limit would be completely lifted/reset and you'd be able to cash out with whatever reward you were aiming for instantly, without needing to go through the trouble of backpedalling to earn back the amount of SG you had lost.

Just to reassure you, with this proposal, users would NOT have their hard-earned SG deducted. Their balance would not be altered in any way. Instead they would have their spending limited and once they complete a task, they would be free to spend as much as they'd like.

That way, ensuring that users are not too heavily penalised while still having penalties for inactive users.

I feel that this is the best middle ground between what the Gamehag Team has currently implemented and what Gamehag Users wish for (for the changes to be completely removed).

I've left my suggestion in the spreadsheet for the Gamehag Team to consider. If you have any constructive feedback to offer, regarding Suggestion #1, feel free to let me know below.

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Suggestion #2: Special Shop for Active Users

I'll keep this basic since it's mostly self-explanatory. By having a new/special rewards shop for active users, it would encourage users to remain active so that they can keep their accesses to this shop.
Within this shop, there could be myraid of new rewards for users to enjoy such as, but not limited to:

• Discount Coupons for Rewards


• Higher value gift cards (E.g. 100 Euro)


• Lower value gift cards (E.g. 1 or 5 Euro Gift Cards)


• Exclusive Rewards such as PS4/Switch/Etc.


• Shield to prevent turning into a frog


• PayPal


• Special 1-Use Keys to unlock any chest without meeting the requirements of said chest.

These are just some of the rewards which could be offered off the top of my head. Alternatively, there could be a sepration made with the current rewards which limits inactive users to lower-tier items just as "Random Steam Keys". However at the end of the day, how this suggestion and whether or not these suggestions are implemented are up to the Gamehag Teams discretion, and I'm only offering my opinions here as a user.

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In any case, these are just my 2 cents and hopefully some of the great suggestions here are implemented by the Gamehag Team.

Once again, thanks everyone for sharing your feedback and opinions here and I'm sure that the team has heard you. Wishing those who read this a pleasant day ahead! :hugging:

Thanks for taking the time to give out your suggestions Kabash, I really like them all and I don't see anything wrong about giving people shop penalties and exclusive prizes for being active.

@Kabash For some reason it always seemed to me that you are doing just an incredible amount of work. A true leader!

I also read the document and your suggestions, too. They partly raised doubts in me, but not the suggestions themselves, it's just the way of how they will be implemented, what will remain of them and how they will affect the current situation in fact.

In general, I am not against of withholding some small amount of SG instead of losing it. However, I immediately think about clarifying whether users will be given the opportunity to still earn SG through articles, reports, mini-games, etc. If your point about penalties also means either the absence of corresponding restrictions, or their more significant reducement, then by and large you have answered my question without even saying a word.

Special prize shop is also quite a nice idea. At first I was wondered why a shield should be represented there, but if that favorable situation regarding penalties is implemented, then such a prize might seem to be less necessary in the general rewards list. I just hope that when such a shop is implemented in life, the main rewards page will not suffer too much - but again, these are only skeptic thoughts about what else to expect from Gamehag.

@masculinium
> For some reason it always seemed to me that you are doing just an incredible amount of work. A true leader!

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it! :sweat_smile:

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> it's just the way of how they will be implemented, what will remain of them and how they will affect the current situation in fact.

Everything from that point on is up to the discretion of the Gamehag Team. I only serve to bridge the gap between the suggestions here and them. As I mentioned before, approval of any and all suggestions are on their part and so are the methods of implementing them.

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> will be given the opportunity to still earn SG through articles, reports, mini-games, etc.

From reading the comments here and the general messages I see on Discord, it seems like the deduction of SG is the issue most users are concerned about. Hence, that's why my first suggestion was to target that.

Regarding the other changes to ToS, they have already been addressed by the other suggestions within this thread and I feel that area has already been taken care of, thus I didn't make any comments about it.

In the end, deduction of SG is the change which is the least favourable amongst users, followed by penalties to writing articles. For the former I've already said my part and for the latter, that has already been addressed in Suggestion #7 and #12 of the spreadsheet.

I'm largely in agreement with those 2 so yup, no further comments from me. If you have anything you wish to add on your part about those, feel free to do so.

Anyways, just to answer your question and to clarify: Yes, there should be a reduction in penalties for writing articles, the 10% penalty is harsh given that there had already been a decrease from 600SG max to 250SG.

Regarding other penalties such as no SG for daily logins, article voting and reporting posts and also 10% SG for selling rewards gained from purchased chests, while these are still harsh they are still reasonable to an extent. I feel the best way to tackle those are just to extent the 7 day duration in accordance to Suggestion #24 as you mentioned before to give some leeway to users as well as implement Suggestion #31 where the duration for completing tasks stacks.

But the root of it all can be resolved by having more tasks so, honestly in my opinion, the Gamehag Team should focus on adding more tasks and making them accessible to all users (while also resolving the issue of high rejection rate), instead of trying to implement the multiple suggestions. That way these penalties wouldn't even be a hinderance to the majority of users.

TL;DR: Yes, reduce the penalties (Come to a middleground since it isn't feasible for them to eliminate them completely) and add more tasks.

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> I just hope that when such a shop is implemented in life, the main rewards page will not suffer too much - but again, these are only skeptic thoughts about what else to expect from Gamehag.

Indeed. It is entirely up to the Gamehag Team at this point. What they wish to do with the idea is their decision. Just giving some pointers to guide them if they wish to pursue that suggestion.

Idk if this is a thing or not but for some reason, if I just complete like a task out of a series of tasks for a specific game, it still doesn't reset my status. If it isn't, it shouldn't be like that since I'm still doing tasks to prove the fact that I'm being active...

To @DarkestTeddy :
I was finally able to complete a small task with no errors 1-1,5 days ago. After that my counter was reset and an inscription appeared saying there afre 6 days 'till becoming a Frog (somewhy I thought there would be 7 instead). But I've seen some posts from users who can't reset their counters after performing the tasks... A bit strange, indeed.

To @masculinium :
Let me move a little away to a simplified speech ... You are also worried about whether you can continue to help clean the forums and get your small rewards, right? :) And if the penalty is really implemented in this context, then... The reward for freports had already been declined, but you could make a suggestion just to cut it down to 1 SG for 8-10 correct reports during the Frog status instead of having 0 SG for it at all. For me, this does refer to being active on the site, because, firstly, you really pay your time and attention to Gamehag, and secondly, it should be at least minimally encouraged even during the state of debuff, as you called it. But it's just my third-party opinion. If I also began to perceive this penalty incorrectly, then I bring my apologize.

And I got it why you were confused when comparing descriptions in different localizations. Well, yes, machine translation has its advantages, but it can really give some inaccuracies. I've found some more, but they out of this context. If Gamehag would decide to get a full-fledged multi-localization, I think I would be one of those willing to help :)

As for the other things, I'll read them carefully and try to reply tomorrow just in order to think it over, gather thoughts together and not to stretch the message even more.

@Aonb yes, you're close to the truth about my curiosity to the reports context, however I think I might initially understand the penalties in a wrong way and mislead you, too. But if I got it right, then it's not so good. I'm not talking about the abusing of reporting function at all, I've already said several times it's barely one thing I can do when working, and I'm glad to be helpful if I can, with some motivational profit for me in return. And I support your suggestion about simply enlarging the amount of correct reports corresponding to earning SG instead of 0 SG per reports during the Frog status at all. It's your idea, so I won't steal it, you're nice in finding compromises.

@DarkestTeddy I failed somewhy with that, too. And here's another fresh example of mine. This night I've finally made one contract for IOs, but it neither gave me SG, nor protected me from the Frog status. Moreover, the offer wall simply disappeared from the mobile app right after that! I've saved the screenshot of gaining the 100% result needed for the contract just in case, but I sincerely have doubts the Gamehag support will help me since they are not the initial distributors of such tasks. And there's no such contract for Android, as well as there are nothing I can perform in a short time. I'm talking about it here not to complain, but only to refer to one of the first suggestions about improving the tasks & contracts system in order to extend their assortment, to reduce the amount of such issues and to guarantee their overall ability to be performed.

Thank you so much kabash for being transparent with us, You have completly changed my perception about moderators as a whole! Anyways, The first suggestion is pretty good but It might be too soft so maybe if the counter reaches 0, The user has to do +3 tasks to reset it. The second suggestion however is amazing and I can think of many suggestions to improve the thing, such as maybe every month, There would be special promotions or new games added or maybe even special runes with unique behaviors.
One simple and small suggestion I like to add is to give active users some sort of streak that gets higher the longer you are active. Upon reaching maybe 10 streak then you will start to gain either a small amounth of SGs or a rune. Small rewards like these can greatly make such a lackluster of a system more fun.
By the way, The fact this update brings no little of enjoyment just goes against Gamehag's premise as a whole so that's something to think about. If this update would've brought something good and fun to the table, No one would've been mad at it.

As I don't want to register in ugly games, and most of the surveys disqualify me, probably I'll become permanently a frog.

There's one detail I'd like to highlight: Wasn't it so that the 'enchanted frog' status doesn't affect VIP-members?

For I've seen some users saying how many days they have left until being turned into a frog, yet I myself have never seen any such time-counters despite the fact that it's been a week or at least almost a week for me without doing any quests, yet nothing has happened to me.

Is it because I'm a VIP?

@dakuwanga One of the VIP-members said that he had about a whole month (30 days) before the Frog spell. So, yes, your VIP status affects that.

Well this shouldn't be a reason that you shouldn't become a frog. First of all, they are asking you to techniquely pay money in order to not become frogs which is dumb since there are VIPs that can still be inactive yet they dont get penalties for becoming inactive since they paid money for them. That isn't fair in my opinion and they shouldn't have a "protection" of some sort for paying. They can still be inactive people and this can be abusive in many ways. Doing this will make people upset since they might think that they are prioritizing VIPs over regulars so something will need to change about this system.

And I also agree with acerswap, I don't want to register in Anime RPG games that requires a download cause:
A) I don't want to download anything like that.
B) It isn't a game that anyone plays.
C) The graphics are inappropriate.
And yes, I do know that the game companies pay them to make these tasks but I don't want to download anything like that on my desktop so if we could get the games that everyone wants (Minecraft, TF2, Mario (Idk how that would work but maybe we could connect our Switch accounts??) etc) that would be awesome.

@DarkestTeddy Well, as for your post about downloading games... On the one hand, there's no wonder that we are offered tasks from several games which are mostly of such kind. I mean, you don't really like them, but you have to do tasks in them in order to get SG...and to fit the recent update conditions, too. That's a well-spread thing, as I assume. On the other hand, it's an additional reason for enlarging the assortment of games with tasks, so each user (of any age, with any genre preferences, etc.) could chose what to play.

Yes, this is why I think the tasks should be expanded even more to fit everyone, not just a certain group of users.

@DarkestTeddy
> Well this shouldn't be a reason that you shouldn't become a frog.

Yes it should.

You paid money to Gamehag for certain perks, so it's only natural that VIP members receive the Magic Shield perk as well. If not, what's the appeal of becoming a VIP member in the first place?

As mentioned before, Gamehag is a business, with their sole goal of earning the greatest profits possible, whether you like it or not. So choices which may seem unfair to you is perfectly reasonable in their regard. This being one of them.

VIP users pay Gamehag directly and thus, are already a step ahead as compared to other regular users in terms of helping Gamehag earn money. The main reason for this change is because Gamehag needs to earn more, and to do so they are penalising inactive users and pushing them to complete tasks.

If you are still not convinced, you can think about it the following way:
Paying for VIP is equivalent to completing tasks for a month.
The amount earned by Gamehag if you pay for VIP and if you complete a month worth of tasks is the same.

Let's assume their target earnings from each user is 5USD a month.

• Paying for VIP = 5USD


• Completing a month worth of tasks = 5USD

So if you already paid for VIP, you've already met the 5USD requirement, and hence there isn't a need for you to complete tasks.

Likewise, if you are a regular user and have not/are not willing to pay for VIP, then you still have yet to meet the requirement of 5USD. Hence there IS a need for you to complete tasks.

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All in all, if you paid for VIP, you should be protected from these penalties. Whether or not they stay inactive is of no concern to Gamehag since they've already met their individual target earnings.

Instead of claiming that it is unfair to regular users and having a myopic view on the situation, look at the whole picture.

It is the same as pushing for users whom have already completed a month of tasks to complete YET ANOTHER month of tasks.

Or for VIP users to purchase yet another VIP membership.

Can't you see that if VIP users ARE STILL penalised despite already doing their part to help Gamehag turn a profit, that it would be unfair towards them?

Put yourself into the shoes of a VIP user. You've just paid ~5USD for the month to receive some perks and suddenly this change is implemented.

Wouldn't you be even more displeased if despite having already paying 5USD to Gamehag, you're not protected from these penalties and are treated as if you hadn't made a contribution at all?

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> abusive in many ways

Please elaborate on this but take into account the perspectives of all 3 groups; Gamehag, the VIP user and the regular user.

Thx for the topic first of all... Now about this... I think all is said here in the comments already. All i can say is about my experience here.. Cant do any tasks, offers, app zone doesnt work, all i can do to get sg is daily login and steam chest, so in a week im ahppy even if i get 50sg, thats with the daily logins which wont give me anymore bc of this...so i will be 35sg less weekly. 528sg rn more than one month to collect them.. good waste of time.. if this continues, i have no reason to stay in here. Im sure im not the only one. Maybe this comment will get reported and deleted or whatever. thats all i get on this site, cancer kids all trying to do bad on u. Peace.

Let's make it clear right here that popular games such as Minecraft, Super Mario, Skyrim, Fortnut, Bookworm Adventure Delux, and more will never come in Gamehag. You see, Game tasks are basacly advertisements usually from studios who are either not big or their game is known just because of ads (AHEM, Raid shadow legends!). Now tell me, is a studio such as Mojang, a company owned by Microsoft and has MILLIONS of followings, small enough and has the will to pay such sites like Gamehag for ads? They are so huge in the gaming industry and have their game advertised for free from YouTubers and you expect them to pay offer sites for advertisements?
Anyways,
@DarkestTeddy As kabash said, VIP owners pay Gamehag real money therefore deserve extra perks. I would say that from Gamehag's point of vue It might be better for bussines to remove the entire frog thing from VIP owners but that, in my opinion, is such a greedy move so It's good they kept some restrictions for them.
@Jsjbsma All I can say from your comment is it's relatable, well at least throughout 2018 and 2019 till I started using Appzone which thankfully works for me but I digress. If you want to remain on Gamehag, You need to firstly accept that this site's premise is basacly exchanging your time for a filthy 5 dollar steam gift card which never gets restocked so if you cannot accept that then it's better to just head out lol.

I know that the popular games will never come to Gamehag. Like I said before, I know that the companies paid money for them in order to create tasks for this. I know that Minecraft is owned by Microsoft and Mojang so if we could have a Gamehag server for Bedrock and Java, maybe that could work out? I only mentioned Minecraft since it was one of the most voted things in the forums, not because it's just a popular game. Ok, let's now talk about VIPs. Taking away all restrictions from VIPs doesn't seem right to me for some reason. I get that it's business but still, most companies make this move and it can go wrong in so many ways. Maybe one or two things that users have to deal with would be great to give for VIPs but now, I just see this as like Gamehag priotizing everything towards VIPs since they have to pay 5 dollars a month and users don't have to pay anything. After all, the reason people come to this site is to get paid items for free. Now this is just my opinion so don't take it seriously but that's what I have to say. If they do have restrictions in some way, please correct me but I can't see them.

That's what I suggested taking away earlier. It's not true in anyway and yes, it does seem like an insult to me as well since it seems like some sort of a fake reason to actually take away our gems. Just get to the point and include the reason why you're doing this, not an additional story to make it more "realistic."

Masculinium said in the previous comment that his friend claims he has 30 days before the frog spell so I guess they do have some restrictions.

Well does his friend have more than 30 days of the membership cause that might be when the VIP status ends.

Just to clarify, VIP users will be exempt from the frog status for the duration of their membership.

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@DarkestTeddy
> Gamehag priotizing everything towards VIPs since they have to pay 5 dollars a month and users don't have to pay anything.

They aren't. No special treatment beyond exemption for penalties is given towards VIP members. It's not as if VIP members are given a higher daily login reward or special chest along with this change. The sole purpose of the change is to generate greater profits, and their method of doing so is by penalising users who do not complete tasks.

As mentioned before, if you're a VIP member who pays 5USD a month to Gamehag (and thus helping them turn a profit), why would there be a need to issues penalties to you? It's illogical.

In the same vein, if you're an active user who completes tasks monthly (and thus helping Gamehag to turn a profit), why would there be a need to issues penalties to you?

Can't you see that VIP members = Active Member? Going by your logic, if you don't protect VIP members from such penalties, then it's only fair that you shouldn't protect active members either since they are one in the same.

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> the reason people come to this site is to get paid items for free

Sorry to break it to you, but nothing is free. You're paying for rewards in one way or another (with either your time and effort in the case of the "free" user, or with cash directly in the case of the VIP user), and Gamehag has to earn money in order to provide you those rewards for "free".

If you're a VIP member, then it's much more straightforward since you're providing Gamehag with cash directly from the membership fees to supply rewards.

If you're a "free" user and only complete tasks, you're providing Gamehag with cash flow indirectly by completing an offer provider's task, from which Gamehag receives payment from them for game advertisement.

Hopefully you understand and grasp the point that VIP users are equivalent to "free" members who do tasks, so penalising VIP users doesn't make sense since they've already done their part to help Gamehag to earn cash.

If not, I cannot explain this in any simpler terms and you'd just have to be content with the fact that VIP users should and are not be penalised due to reason stated above.

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Anyways, ignoring the argument here. What Gamehag should do first and foremost to ease all tensions from this is just to provide users with greater and better tasks.

All these proposals should be looked into only after more tasks has been added.

Hey guys um-
I wasn't active for the past month or so and I guess I have a complaint about the new "update".
So just recently I went into my email and realized that there was a new update of umm "frogs" and "toads" ...
Went into account, realized my account turned into a "frog"...
Should I report this to Misty that "I wasn't aware of the situation" or should I accept the fact that I'm a "frog" and *try* to do a task???



*and when I try it usually doesnt work- no offers available almost everytime

I'm not very sure if misty can help as I never tried it so I recommend messaging her first and confirm if they helped you or not and if not then just complete some tasks.

i'm lucky if i can complete one survey out of a hundred. other 'tasks' are not very viable for me either. i may not be able to stay if this is how it's going to be.

By the looks of it, the update might be improved soon, so I guess that's good I guess?

A little question: If writing an article that gets accepted isn't enough to qualify as a task, would writing several accepted articles count? Especially taking into account that the amount of soul gems rewarded for writing was noticeably reduced recently.

No cause it would never count as a task entirely.

I heard that watching ads on mobile phones to the max limit is counted as a task and you will not become a frog or a toad. I wonder if that is true...

That is true! That's why I haven't became a frog yet.

I'm about to become a frog myself due to the drought of tasks and there should be a grace period type of thing or something to prevent people from turning into frogs if they didn't even know about this system and logged it after a while.

@DarkestTeddy I agree with you. I think that Gammehag should compensate those who just logged on (after a few weeks before the update) and became a frog without knowing it. If this is allowed on Gamehag (somehow), I think they will have a system where they could see when the user is online. This could help them identify those who were lying and charge them a price for being dishonest.

New Users should have 2 weeks from turning to frogs and they should get a warning prompt after a week letting them know about the update.

I'm glad this topic exists. I hope this new addition is modified to help those who can't complete tasks

^ Yes, I agree.

ÖH my god REALLY you interesting realy interest
good game okey but bored
yes bored okey

Does anyone want to talk about anything else? This thread is starting to become inactive.

@DarkestTeddy, there is still interest in this thread and context - I suppose there are just a lot of points discussed and not enough 'positive' changes have been made so far.

Let me also follow @Kabash's advice and mention here my recent suggestion. In the original post, I described it broadly enough, here I'll try to make it a bit shorter.

My suggestion is based on providing an opportunity for users' a greater interest in the platform and long-term interaction with it; it's quite meaningful as a counterweight to the current Frog system. The thing is simple: I suggest to create a special reward for long-term Gamehag membership. Such reward can be implemented in any form (separate chest / promotional codes, etc.) containing universal prizes (SG bonus, Steam key, etc.).

Its approximate variant may be as follows:
a) The reward term is broken down in certain parts (3-6-9-12 months and so on); the more it is, the more substantial is the reward. As soon as you reach any of such term, you'll be able to claim your reward and celebrate your being on Gamehag;
b) To claim it, you also must fit the special conditions. They should be attainable by any Gamehag user, regardless of the region division and its accompanying restrictions. The basic examples are simple: reaching 3+ level, having at least 1-2 tasks performed, i.e. anything that proofs your being active.

Of course, any of the above can be revised and supplemented by the Gamehag Team; it is only important to preserve its essence and the general ability to achieve such rewards. If the division by region or VIP-Status is decided as an influencing characteristic, it should only affect the amount of remuneration, but not its general availability.

hello this is my comment

nd while we are talking about nerfing the system, I suggest removing the story and pictures ENTIRELY from the info section of the system cause they aren't very helpful at all and they are just mostly distracting people from knowing the main point of the system. The story isn't true in any way and it's just fluff so please, do something about that cause it's honestly annoying that you're spending your time to create a story that no one really asked for/wants. 20g

No need to copy and paste my comments.

i suggest getting rid of the frog update, it just seems unniecessary to me.

If we could get special discount codes that are only unique to us if we are active, that would be cool. Maybe we can redeem them after adding multiple items to our cart or something.

profitable for them to create an ongoing stream of new users so that there would be more new players who would come and go quickly than to encourage those who already are. It is like a stream of buyers in the market. Not everyone loves to have regular customers, because for these customers they have to make concessions, make discounts, and so on. Therefore, what we see as an adequate and honest attitude, business owners can see in a completely different way, and this situation is disadvantageous for them. The understanding of not only that “we seem to have been betrayed” is very poor, but also sad forecasts in general: a lot of honest negative responses that will later be replaced by bought positive ones, a decrease in interest and a final decline.
I would not like to panic, but such examples already exist. I just hope that a

@flapper_life No need to copypaste one of my comments. This is not a thread for spamming. Basically, none thread is for spamming, but this very forum has nothing in common with spam even more.

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Turning back to the main plot. I do have something to add, just working on making it shorter. I know that I often write quite a lot, with all that politeness, explanations, options, etc., so need to make it less spacious and more confident before posting here.

By the way, I've succeeded to enforce my Magic Shield with a quiz contract, so finally nice news! It just didn't work that way for me earlier. Hope there wil be more quiz tasks, they have enough of positive sides for users. Cheap but reliable (mostly), at least.